“Lesbians SHOULD be forced to have sex they don’t want :)))))”
They’re getting so, so bold.
I disagree with terfs on most things but not this.
Forcing someone, in this case a lesbian, to have sex with someone she’s not physically attracted to, whom she doesn’t want to have sex with, is literal freaking rape.
The trans community is insane and I’m saying that as a trans person.
No one?? Is forcing?? A transphobe to have sex with a trans person?? And newsflash! If you can’t accept that a vagina does not a woman make, you’re literally a terf. Literally. Like. It is the exact definition of the first two letters of the acronym, you soggy lampshade. “I’m not attracted to your penis” = “I see my lesbianism as only valid if you have a vagina/are a cis woman.” Your problem. Not theirs. God knows you wouldn’t be dating a trans man just to get at that vagina because “eww no I’m a lesbian.” You don’t get to fucking pick which trans folk to accept and which to discriminate against. And nobody is forcing you to do shit, what the fuck are you trying to say here.
@thefinalpamvoorhees literally implied that the statement “I just don’t believe lesbians should be forced to have sex with bodies they don’t have an attraction to” makes someone a terf.
How the fuck do you defend that?
If you can’t accept that a vagina does not a woman make, you’re literally a terf. Literally.
A woman is an adult human female. And a notable characteristic of the female of any mammalian species is having a vagina. Literally. Saying that women have vaginas is not the same as saying they are only a vagina.
I’ve never once seen a gender identity proponent clearly define what they think a woman is if not a biological category. I think it’s because they know that if you omit biology from the word all you’re left with is the restrictive gender stereotypes society imposes on women. And that archaic sexism thinly disguised as new progressive thought is exactly what they’re operating from.
“I’m not attracted to your penis” = “I see my lesbianism as only valid if you have a vagina/are a cis woman.” Your problem. Not theirs.
No it is absolutely their own problem that they are attempting to redefine female homosexuality in order to simultaneously appropriate it and vilify it.
The only reason your convoluted rhetoric even exists is because heterosexual males calling themselves women are pissed off that lesbians aren’t going to fall all over themselves to fulfill their sexual fantasies. Every last weaselly obfuscation exists to deflect from the fact that this is both homophobic and misogynistic.
But since men telling lesbians our sexual orientation is gross and bad and morally wrong and we should be fucking them instead is nothing new most of us don’t put up with it. And so they call us “terfs” and say “terfs” are mean and evil and taking away their rights and trying to murder them and make it seem like bathrooms are the only issue. But even that’s starting to not work anymore.
God knows you wouldn’t be dating a trans man just to get at that vagina because “eww no I’m a lesbian.”
Transmen tend to have a rather large overlap with butch lesbian culture.
You don’t get to fucking pick which trans folk to accept and which to discriminate against.
Do you believe sexual orientation is a choice?
I just thought you should know that I stopped reading after your ignorant comment about what makes a human woman. Seemed polite to let you know. Good day, terf.
Yeah no surprise you plugged your ears and went “LA LA LA” as soon as you saw an argument you have no good answer for.
Thanks for reblogging my debunk of your rhetoric to your followers though.
No problem. My followers know your argument is shitty and we’re all laughing at you. “This dumbass literally tried to pull first grade biology on a post and really thought it would hold up.” We all could use a good laugh now and then, so thanks.
Because everybody KNOWS that they teach actual lies in school! Is first grade math a total lie according to you, or is that one ok???
Yawn. Get a better argument. Oh wait, you can’t.
Won’t you just ignore any better argument as soon as you hit a phrase or word you don’t like?
Ugh. I can’t believe you’re making me go get a source on my day off. Whatever. Have a gift. From someone undoubtedly more educated than either of us in biology. But go ahead. Put words in my mouth. Because obviously they should be teaching this to first graders, right?
First of all, in a sexual species, you can have females be XX and males be X (insects), you can have females be ZW and males be ZZ (birds), you can have females be females because they developed in a warm environment and males be males because they developed in a cool environment (reptiles), you can have females be females because they lost a penis sword fighting contest (some flatworms), you can have males be males because they were born female, but changed sexes because the only male in their group died (parrotfish and clownfish), you can have males look and act like females because they are trying to get close enough to actual females to mate with them (cuttlefish, bluegills, others), or you can be one of thousands of sexes (slime mold, some mushrooms.) Oh, did you mean humans? Oh ok then. You can be male because you were born female, but you have 5-alphareductase deficiency and so you grew a penis at age 12. You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but you are insensitive to androgens, and so you have a female body. You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but your Y is missing the SRY gene, and so you have a female body. You can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but one of your X’s HAS an SRY gene, and so you have a male body. You can be male because you have two X chromosomes- but also a Y. You can be female because you have only one X chromosome at all. And you can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male. And vice – effing – versa. Don’t use science to justify your bigotry. The world is way too weird for that shit.
Sorry, you don’t get a pretty link. I’m on mobile.
First of all, in a sexual species, you can have females be XX and males be X (insects), you can have females be ZW and males be ZZ (birds…
Did you notice a pattern in all of this? That pattern being that species that reproduce sexually have both female and male sexes.
oh, did you mean humans? Oh ok then. You can be male because you were born female, but you have 5-alphareductase deficiency and so you grew a penis at age 12. You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but you are insensitive to androgens…
Yup that’s called being intersex. It’s a congenital deformation in physical development.
And?
You can be female because you have only one X chromosome at all. And you can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male. And vice – effing – versa. Don’t use science to justify your bigotry. The world is way too weird for that shit.
See now you’ve made a massive leap from congenital conditions to claiming someone’s “heart and brain” can be the opposite sex. In what way? Does their heart and brain have different DNA than the rest of their body?
Or are you trying to say that because people with intersex conditions exist that justifies people without intersex conditions claiming to somehow be in some way the opposite sex? Because one doesn’t follow from the other.
You indicated you quoted someone named Grace Ann, and then your link is about Grace Poleka, a literal high school biology teacher. Don’t genderists like to deride “high school biology” as not being advanced enough to support their claims? You know while also failing to cite this mythical advanced biology that supposedly does.
And your link is…the same exact flawed argument that uses the existence of intersex conditions to justify people without an intersex condition claiming to somehow in some way be the opposite sex.
Again, that doesn’t follow. That’s like saying humans aren’t a bipedal species because some people are born with only one leg.
And, as I’d like to point out, all of the animals referenced are non-mammals, and thus have radically different biology to humans. Even their genetics work differently.
Oh, and btw, 5-alphareductase deficiency is a terrible disorder to have. The most severe forms kill babies. Miserably. Literally, Sand Shrew is supporting her stance on THE HORRIBLE DEATHS OF BABIES.
This is why I get called a TERF. Not because I have any actual problem with trans people or want to see them hurt of dehumanized (because I don’t!), but because the rhetoric surrounding modern trans activism is ludicrous and reaches to the point of killing babies.
ETA: Whoops, I was thinking of congenital adrenal hyperplasia. Sorry! However, also not sorry, because I’ve seen that one come up many a time.
Mind, 5-alphareductase deficiency can lead to sterility. It’s not even remotely in the same category as those non-mammals.
5-ARD doesn’t make you “grow a penis at 12.” It’s always there – it’s just small. And the SRY gene on the X chromosome thing – ohhhh, you mean de la Chapelle syndrome! Which occurs so infrequently that it’s five orders of magnitude below the norm (4-5/100,000) And leads to, you guessed it, sterility.
BTW, Anne Fausto-Sterling based most of her wildly-inflated intersex numbers on late-onset CAH. The real numbers are closer to 1/1500-1/2000.
– Seas, real-life evolutionary biologist, M.S. in organismal biology, M.D. and Ph.D candidate in biomedical science, genetics nut
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